Newsgroups: sci.physics
From: "Mike Jr." <n00s...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:25:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Aug 10 2008 9:25 pm
Subject: Re: Is Global Warming Caused By Man?
On Aug 10, 10:28 am, "Nie" <n...@isp.com> wrote:
> Is Global Warming Caused By Man? First, a caveat; I haven't read Beck's book. > There has been an enormous publicity effort in the recent years to get > The first pair of curves shows artic temperatures over the 130 year The solar connection is not that easy to prove. Correlations should not automatically be considered valid. The classic parable describing spurious correlations is if you examine the records of the city of Copenhagen for the ten or twelve years following World War II, you will find a strong positive correlation between (i) the annual number of storks nesting in the city, and (ii) the annual number of human babies born in the city. In a recent post, I did the following pencil and paper exercise The only part of the solar spectrum to have significant variation What I realized is that less than .05 percent of that solar UV, On average, 30% of the remaining 91-92% with wavelength >= 300nm This leaves 70% of 92% =.7 * .92 = .644 = 64.4% of the total That 8-9% represented by UV, X-Ray (wavelength < 300nm) accounts The remaining 91-92% varies by only 0.1%. Lean (2000) gives a Now consider that the UV, X-Ray (wavelength < 300nm) radiation varies Shorter wavelengths are absorbed in the earth’s upper atmosphere and So I conclude that ~12% of the sun’s energy heating the earth is 8% * 12% = 0.96% which is still larger than the 0.1% variation that > In all of the discussions of global warming, it has not been possible In most global climate models, an increase in CO2 causes an initial warming. This initial warming leads to enhanced evaporation at the surface and a general moistening of the atmosphere. The added moisture causes further warming due to water vapor being a strong infrared absorber. The amplifying effect is calculated to be large, increasing the global average warming by 70%-90% compared to calculations that maintain a fixed water vapor (Cess et al, 1990). Fixed water vapor content with increased temperature means a lower >All of the discussions seem to assume that Respectfully, I can't agree with your analysis here. Consider the > it is the amount of greenhouse gases in the volume of the atmosphere which > control the Earth's surface temperature. That assumption is false! Earth's > temperature is determined by the altitude and temperature of the "CO2 > horizon". It is at this altitude and below the greenhouse gases cause the > atmosphere to be opaque to the 10 to 14.5 micron band of electromagnetic > radiation. It is the greenhouse gases at this altitude that radiate the > Earth's energy input (internal and solar) to space. No greenhouse radiation > to space occurs since below this altitude (about 55,000 feet) since any such > radiation is re-absorbed by the gasses above. The equilibrium temperature > for re-radiation of Earth's energy input to space is about -55C. (Depends > upon Solar input, ice cover and internal heat). Heat transfer from lower > levels to the CO2 horizon is primarily by convection. From the altitude of > the CO2 horizon downward, the atmospheres absolute temperature rises due to > adiabatic compression in proportion to the pressure ratio raised to the 1.35 > power (see any thermodynamics text). It is this adiabatic temperature rise > which determined the surface temperature. It is This adiabatic temperature > rise effect from CO2 horizon is atop a very thick atmosphere which causes > the surface of Venus to be so hot. It is not the amount of greenhouse > contained in the bulk of the atmosphere. > All of the information needed to determine the global warming effects following: 1. The climate models assume a semi-infinite atmosphere where none of The problem that the AGW people need to face is that data from See http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStor... --Mike Jr > Please make any response via E-mail as Newsgroups are not monitored on > E-mail:- einsteinh...@isp.com. If you wish a reply, be sure that your You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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